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Postby devillion on Thu Jan 27, 2005 9:59 pm

Thats USB BN. It won't go into your DS. It goes into your PC, and encodes that connection.
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Postby brandnew707 on Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:17 pm

Then what's the gray thing? It looks awefully like a DS.
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Postby devillion on Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:24 pm

=\ A tranmitter most likely. Most USB wifi sticks look like that, but maybe nintendo just shaped theirs like a DS? Some of the other prephriherials released for the DS use the shape of it.
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Postby brandnew707 on Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:42 pm

Hm. I'll believe it when I see an official announcement.
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Postby amall on Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:58 pm

I doubt Nintendo would issue a tunneling-like attachment. It just doesnt seem solid enough for ninty to do. And besides, I still dont understand. Doesnt the DS already have Nifi AND Wifi? Why do we need an adapter?? They claim that at ANY wireless hotspot future games would be capable of connecting to other ds's many miles away through the internet. O, and btw, the babelfish translation makes this seem to be more of a ds to wireless gba adapter dongle. I highly doubt this is for the internet.

lol a funny quote from the free babelfish translation:
" The card the fact that to degree of game it takes in and out from the package trouble, the trouble that is cancellation with this with also it is insecure to leave with the nude,!"
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Postby devillion on Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:45 am

Amall: Yea, i'm with you. I still stick by my option pak idea. However, when this was linked to me, it came from someone who knows what he's talking about, and it seemed very believeable. I still think it could be official, but i mean, it does look like a bad photoshop. =\

The DS doesn't have wifi. It isn't even certified for WiFi. They just put that logo on there. You can check a registration site, it doesn't use it. It DOES however, use NiFi, which is modified WiFi (different packet headers, i think is the only difference).
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Postby Badtz on Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:54 am

It just looks like an access point to me. Like if you had internet but no wireless router.. you just plug that into a USB port, and it provides an access point for your DS to connect to.

And the DS does use wifi. It transmits and recieves 802.11b. Just because the packet headers are handled differently between DS units doesn't mean the signal isn't still wifi.


EDIT: I did a babel fish translation of that Japanese page. There's really nothing on that page about the wifi adapter at all. The text above is mainly about the DS system and what it features. The text under the picture says this:

* Method of playing which uses the next peripheral device is not possible.
* Game boy advance private communication cable
* Game boy advance private card e leader +
* Game boy advance private wireless adapter
* ニンテンドーゲームキƒ…ーブ GBA cable
* The peripheral device which is connected to the cartridge jack and the external extended connector of game boy advance and game boy advance SP


I'm starting to think this is a fake. If you look at the source code of that link, the first line is this:

<!-- Mirrored from http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/ ... ntendo.htm by HTTrack Website Copier/3.x [XR&CO'2004], Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:03:07 GMT -->


If you plug that link into a browser, it takes you to another AVwatch article about the GBA video player.. parts of that same article are on the DS wifi page. Also in the source code is this line:

<A HREF="http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/index.htm"><IMG SRC ="file:///C|/Mes%20Sites%20Web/japanesfake/www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/gif/avlogo.gif" BORDER="0"></A>


I think someone took the article about the GBA player and added these pictures. I don't know.
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Postby devillion on Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:24 am

Alright, sorry guys. It looks like a fake.

D: Sorry i posted this, i got linked to it by Darkain, so i thought it was pretty legit. The page its on has nothing to do with japan, and the japanese is incorrect, and not about wifi at all. And it looks like they just shopped a USB plug onto the bottom of a DS with logos on top.

I'm seriously sorry, i mean, if it turns out legit, hooray for me, but it doesn't look like it will.

And also, someone smarter than me pointed out, this thing would be unneeded. Apparently, nintendo/some-3rd-party just needs to write a TCP/IP stack.

In conclusion, Oops.
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Postby Badtz on Fri Jan 28, 2005 1:32 am

devillion wrote:Alright, sorry guys. It looks like a fake.

D: Sorry i posted this, i got linked to it by Darkain, so i thought it was pretty legit. The page its on has nothing to do with japan, and the japanese is incorrect, and not about wifi at all. And it looks like they just shopped a USB plug onto the bottom of a DS with logos on top.

I'm seriously sorry, i mean, if it turns out legit, hooray for me, but it doesn't look like it will.

And also, someone smarter than me pointed out, this thing would be unneeded. Apparently, nintendo/some-3rd-party just needs to write a TCP/IP stack.

In conclusion, Oops.


No need to apologize. These hoaxes happen all the time. I was pretty sure it was real until I tried to translate it.
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Postby KaBooOM on Fri Jan 28, 2005 2:10 am

It looks pretty fake. In the article, supposedly Iwata goes on about the DS and it's description and then out of nowhere, the site says the device in the picture is a WiFi adapter. It looks so out of place to me, especially to a Japanese speaker like myself. The article writer also doesn't sound professional at all.
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Postby devillion on Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:59 am

Just wanted to pass along something Darkain said:

The DS does not internally support a TCP stack or any IPv4/IPv6 communications at all. This is why the DS cannot be played online without the use of tunneling (see below). It will be possible for future DS games and applications to implement the TCP/IP protocol via software, but none of the current titles do this. Does this mean that the DS isn't using "Wi-Fi"/802.11? NO! 802.11 only lay out the framework for layers 1 and 2 of the OSI model. IPv4/IPv5 occur at layer 3, while TCP/UDP occur at layer 4. Since the DS communicates on layers 1 and 2 using 802.11, if there was a software application/game for the DS to implement TCP/IP, it would work with a home network and even possibly the internet.


So maybe we should stop thinking so much about hardware, and just a movement to include the ability to play online in games. Maybe DeMasked has nothing to do with the functionality and ability to play online, but perhaps just a way to orginize/rank players. Maybe there is no hardware to purchase, maybe there will just be a point at which games start coming out with this feature. =\
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Postby 133t on Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:41 am

Who is Darkain?
The next sentence is true. The last sentence was false.

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Postby brandnew707 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:52 am

I really don't care about this anymore. I've concluded that Chad is insane and has prospects for things that aren't plausible yet. He's also very confused. He said the Cell processer will revolutionize gaming....oh, really now? It clocks in over 4 GHz, thus becoming way too expensive to buy for us consumers. This is "revolutionizing" in his mind? Puh-lease. How can it be revolutionary when you have to pay near four hundred dollars for a console?

He also said that DemaSked might not even be on the DS. As far as I'm concerned, he's hinting that maybe this is no longer related to Nintendo products. Maybe this is all for Sony now.

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Postby Xellos on Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:51 am

I stopped following this in December as I'm thoroughly convinced Demasked is going be something not worthy of attention. I doubt I will be even checking this thread any more because it's so pointless. If Warp Pipe wants me to get demasked, I'll take it demask myself and shove the mask where the sun does shine at this point. I am thoroughly peeved and disappointed on this thing.
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Postby amall on Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:44 am

Chad, I still have faith in you!
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Postby devillion on Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:34 am

133t wrote:Who is Darkain?


A hacker working on the DS. In 3 months he's gotten father than any of these companies. He's also got a working Passthrough, so he can code to the DS :D (or that might be darkfader)...

And BN, he said that?
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Postby brandnew707 on Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:46 pm

Pretty much, yeah. If you ask me, that whole community is going downhill right now. If it indeed has something to do with Sony, I guaratee most of those members will leave.
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Postby Badtz on Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:00 pm

brandnew707 wrote:Pretty much, yeah. If you ask me, that whole community is going downhill right now. If it indeed has something to do with Sony, I guaratee most of those members will leave.


Well, I still say they made a big mistake with their whole secret clue campaign. Even if Demasked ends up coming out and being something amazing, that whole deal was still stupid. Don't get a whole bunch of loyal fans riled up and excited about something unless it really exists.
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Postby devillion on Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:43 am

This is f***ing retarded...

D:

Can he just tell us already? Honestly, does anyone give a F*** anymore? I tried to stay interested, but its looking more and more like it will either be A: VaporWare or B: Stupid and a letdown.

D:
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Postby shaggyKY on Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:18 pm

Badtz wrote:Well, I still say they made a big mistake with their whole secret clue campaign. Even if Demasked ends up coming out and being something amazing, that whole deal was still stupid. Don't get a whole bunch of loyal fans riled up and excited about something unless it really exists.


I think the mistake was launching it all while ____ was still VERY early on in development. If _____ was only a month or so from completion then I think the clue campaign would have been awesome. As it stands though they have yet to do anything except piss off loyal Nintendo fans.
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Postby Ruzbeh on Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:26 pm

This thread is proof that impatience really kills some people. :lol:
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Postby brandnew707 on Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:01 pm

Ruzbeh wrote:This thread is proof that impatience really kills some people. :lol:


Impatience isn't the factor anymore. It's pure anger and frustration. When an ass like Chad goofs up on a campaign like that, a lot of people will become angry. It's just the way it is.
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Postby Methos on Thu Feb 10, 2005 9:17 pm

Patience never had anything to do with all this. It was all just hype, and to be blunt, that hype is more or less the fault of people in this thread and the previous thread. You can't blame IGN or some other site for building this up and up and up until it popped; you guys did it this time. Sure, Chad jumped the gun with the clue-campaign, but neither this thread or the previous one is his fault.

If you guys want to sit back now and get angry and blame Warp Pipe for misleading you, then you also need to recognize that you built your high expectations from nothing but assumptions that were made on limited facts and meaningless opinions. It's as much your own fault (mostly your own fault, in my opinion) that all this happened than it is Warp Pipe's.
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Postby Xellos on Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:52 am

Methos wrote:Patience never had anything to do with all this. It was all just hype, and to be blunt, that hype is more or less the fault of people in this thread and the previous thread. You can't blame IGN or some other site for building this up and up and up until it popped; you guys did it this time. Sure, Chad jumped the gun with the clue-campaign, but neither this thread or the previous one is his fault.

If you guys want to sit back now and get angry and blame Warp Pipe for misleading you, then you also need to recognize that you built your high expectations from nothing but assumptions that were made on limited facts and meaningless opinions. It's as much your own fault (mostly your own fault, in my opinion) that all this happened than it is Warp Pipe's.


That's like saying you provoked a rabid dog, and it ate your face and now it's the dog's fault.

I'm not saying that the people of this forum are entirely blameless but if Chad is advocating something far from completion and feeding it to people. Chad posted a different clue every week for a while in order to keep the hype going. That is not our fault.

Warpipe is known for making something cool, even if it wasn't widely known, for the GCN. They said they were going to make something involving the DS and we believed them because there was no reason to not believe them. When Chad finally said "Sorry, time to take the candy away because daddy started investing money in hookers" and we get upset, is that entirely our fault? I think not.

Again, we're not entirely blameless, but neither is Waripipe.
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Postby devillion on Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:07 am

Methos wrote:Patience never had anything to do with all this. It was all just hype, and to be blunt, that hype is more or less the fault of people in this thread and the previous thread. You can't blame IGN or some other site for building this up and up and up until it popped; you guys did it this time. Sure, Chad jumped the gun with the clue-campaign, but neither this thread or the previous one is his fault.

If you guys want to sit back now and get angry and blame Warp Pipe for misleading you, then you also need to recognize that you built your high expectations from nothing but assumptions that were made on limited facts and meaningless opinions. It's as much your own fault (mostly your own fault, in my opinion) that all this happened than it is Warp Pipe's.


I don't think anyone over hyped the product. I think we just tried to analyze the information we were getting, and since that information was so broad (and pointless) most of our analysis was just conjecture. And well put, Xellos.
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Postby Methos on Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:56 pm

That's like saying you provoked a rabid dog, and it ate your face and now it's the dog's fault.


No, I'm not. I'm not going to put any analogy onto this because there's no need for one.

I'm saying that the majority of all this hype is your own fault. I didn't say Chad was blameless, hell, I think he screwed up royally. But that's not to say that you guys didn't jump the gun yourselves by making broad assumptions based on barely any credible information.

And I'd say there were enough reasons not to believe in what Chad was saying.
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Postby brandnew707 on Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:31 am

Why not listen to Chad? He is (or was) a pretty trustworthy figure. He created a pretty successful Gamecube online community, and he has very high hopes for the future. That's why we all got excited at the hype. Who wouldn't want the DS online, along with this sort of revolution in online gaming? Yes, we hyped it, and got our asses handed to us, but Chad is equally or even more responsible for this. He started it. I'm sorry if I sound like an immature second grader, but it's true. He started it.
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Postby devillion on Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:37 am

Yea, i really don't see how this is our fault. But i really don't f***ing care either. I was over all this DeMasked sh*t, and i was kind of not caring anymore until he started the "Corx" thing. It proves that WP and whoever is in charge of marketing didn't learn their f***ing lesson. They're just going to keep dangling this sh*t in front of us, then pulling it away. But whatever. I'm not even going to bother with this anymore. This is a bitchin' forum (though some posters are a little immature, but whatever), and it was a fun time, but from the /. post till now, this has just been one huge let-down. =( So i'm not even going to bother with this anymore. If i keep analyzing the crappy "clues" we are given, and keep trying to figure it out, i'm only encouraging WP to keep acting like this. If we all just stop caring, then their whole system falls apart and they'll have nothing left to do but, god forbid, actually MAKE SOMETHING, and have it stand on its own merits. Right now all we have is a name, and the name is standing on unsubstantiated hype. And its hype that we created (though i still don't think we are to blame).

So as of right now, i don't give a sh*t, and i'm not going to post in this thread with ideas anymore. I know i'm just one person, and i know no one cares about nubs, but whatever :P If we stop caring, like i said, DeMasked will have to be decent by its own merits.

And this post rambles alot. Oops. :P It's late, i'm tired, sue me. :P

Oh and IF the product ever does get released, and it is like what i envisioned, you can expect one really big "i told you so" out of me :P Just 'cause i'm cool like that :P But i don't think its going to happen so whatever. OK POST OVER.
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Postby Ruzbeh on Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:16 pm

Xellos wrote:That's like saying you provoked a rabid dog, and it ate your face and now it's the dog's fault.

A rabid dog eating your face? Wtf. Gross.

I don't see how Chad is provoking us. He said Demasked was gonna be 'known' and stuff around mid-November. Now it's been 'delayed' indefinately, because a company 'we all know and love' took over this whole Demasked business. I still say Demasked is going to own.

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Postby amall on Sat Feb 12, 2005 3:51 pm

If you guys are going to flame, dont post here anymore. This thread is for analyzing DeMasked clues. If you want to make a thread flaming at Warppipe, by all means do so. If no more people want to remain involved in this positively, then this thread will die, end of story.
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